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		<title>New York Times Searches Far and Wide for the Most Qualified Experts on Climate Change</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Originally printed 1-31-10. Edited, and updated, 4-15-10)
Space on the prestigious NY Times opinion pages is very limited.  Most of that space, in turn, is taken up by the paper&#8217;s own editorials and columnists.
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Space on the prestigious NY Times opinion pages is very limited.  Most of that space, in turn, is taken up by the paper&#8217;s own editorials and columnists.</p>
<p>So one imagines that on the rare occasion that the paper ventures to outside sources from among its constant inundation of submissions, that it chooses its pieces carefully.  And, in its search for someone to provide an informative piece on climate change risk, the Times apparently must have heavily scoured experts from around the globe, finally settling upon one from New Zealand.</p>
<p>What follows is how this chosen expert&#8217;s fantastic work of reason, logic, and well tied in fact might have made its way onto the famed and highly selective pages of the &#8220;paper of record,&#8221; the NY Times:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>(NEW ZEALAND PHILOSOPHY PROFESSOR DENIS) DUTTON:</strong> I think we are overreacting on climate change.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>NYT</strong>:   Why?</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON: </strong>Because sometimes people overreact<em>. </em></p>
<p><strong>NYT</strong>:  Sometimes people also under react. Why are we over reacting, rather than under reacting, here?</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Because apocalypses are intriguing.</p>
<p><strong>NYT</strong>:  That’s not a reason for assigning over reaction. That&#8217;s a suggestion,<em> </em>if  it is determined that we are overreacting, <em>why</em> we are, not an argument <em>that</em> we are .</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON</strong>: Err, uh, yeah, but, um, high seas, vicious storms, potentially <em>catastrophic scenarios</em>, people love this stuff, therefore we must be overreacting.</p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> Are you saying we are overreacting to this because while most scientists are saying this will be a bad to really bad thing, we must be overreacting to what the scientists are saying because &#8220;<em>people are fascinated with apocalypses</em>?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> That completely avoids the relevant facts of the issue, and is also a bit, well, ridiculous.  The main warning is we are doing something destructive to ourselves and our world long term. You are saying that doing potentially destructive things to ourselves<em> is something we tend to overreact to</em>?</p>
<p>While there&#8217;s plenty of things we overreacted to because they were sexy &#8212; like asteroids hitting the earth &#8212; there&#8217;s plenty of things we have repeatedly under reacted to, like the threat of al-Qaida before 9/11,  Nazi Germany, Glenn Beck today, along with plenty of other scientific warnings we ignored and which, as a result of, tens of thousands of people a year die of cancer today while even newborn babies are borne with debilitating neurological defects or learning disabilities, etc.</p>
<p>Also, and perhaps even more importantly, this entire climate concern thing is based on uncertain and very hard to pin point projections of unspecified times in the future, that also, in many fundamental respects, such as temperature changes or &#8220;bad weather,&#8221; seem normal; yet you are saying we are overreacting to threats that scientists are calling very real but that seem abstract to many? Wouldn’t  it tend to be the other way around?</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON: </strong> No, no no.  People find apocalypses  intriguing!!! Don&#8217;t you get that?</p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> An assessment of whether we are overreacting or underreacting comes from an unemotional, dispassionate (and, hard as that is today, well informed) analysis of the facts relative to our overall collective responses to them. Then, once and if you have determined that we are over or under reacting, you might offer &#8220;theories&#8221; as to why this is the case. You&#8217;ve both avoided and thoroughly confused the issue, and gotten the logic largely backward.  You have not shown or made an argument even supporting the claim that we are overreacting here; but rather simply speculated that we are overreacting here because &#8220;sometimes we do.&#8221; This is like saying asserting that right now it is raining in China (as opposed to not raining)because &#8220;sometimes it rains&#8221; when you have no knowledge of the pertinent facts. Besides, this also isn&#8217;t really about apocalypse, not that that matters.</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Well, to some of the most extreme and exaggerated voices, it is.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #000000;">NYT:</span></strong><span style="color: #000000;"><strong> </strong></span><span style="color: #9e200c;"><strong>So you are saying what makes this an overreaction is not the general warning that this is very counterproductive, if not highly destructive long term, but instead the abstract notion &#8212; that skeptics of climate change more than anyone have turned this into &#8212; that this is about saving mankind from assured destruction; and, that therefore the general warning by scientists that this is very counterproductive if not in some ways potentially catastrophic long term is an overreaction?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #9e200c;"><strong>Is that why almost half the country thinks the issue is nonexistent or minimal, causing most scientists who actually study the issue to want to pull their hair out, because &#8220;people are fascinated with apocalypses and so are overreacting?&#8221;</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> <strong>Yes, and Yes.</strong></p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> <strong>That makes no sense. Also, what you are saying is &#8220;people are fascinated with apocalypses&#8221; so scientists are over-reacting to this because of apocalypses while people in general are under-reacting?</strong></p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> <strong>No. I&#8217;m just saying that we find apocalypses intriguing, so therefore, naturally, we are over reacting on climate change. Even we we are largely ignoring the issue while scientists repeatedly attempt to warn us, we are, don&#8217;t you see, overreacting, because we are fascinated with apocalypses!</strong></p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> It seems to us that you are saying is &#8220;people are fascinated with apocalypses&#8221; so scientists are over-reacting to this because of apocalypses while people in general are under-reacting.</p>
<p>But completely ignoring the fact here that most scientists say people are under-reacting, you are then in turn arguing here that people are nevertheless overreacting simply because people tend to sometimes overreact to potentially bad scenarios, even though there are plenty of times we under-react, and plenty of arguments as to why we under-react that would very specifically apply here.</p>
<p>So do you have anything more than the fact that while to potentially really bad scenarios “we overreact sometimes,&#8221; we under-react other times<strong>, we are overreacting this time, essentially based upon the reasoning that “we overreact sometimes&#8221;?</strong></p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Yes, yes, of course.  Here goes. Here is my reason.  Drumroll please:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>It seems to me.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>NYT</strong>: Hey, whoa, that&#8217;s pretty darn good! It changes everything!!!</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Yes!  And it&#8217;s awesome, isn&#8217;t it! Also, since this is a scientific issue, why should we bother with actual science, when instead we can bother with stuff that is even better than science!  Namely,<em> science fiction</em>. Because, New York Times, are you ready? I have even <em>more.</em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;"><strong>NYT: </strong> Really, </span><span style="font-style: normal;">even more for why we are over reacting when the bulk of scientists continue to say we are under reacting,<span style="font-style: normal;"> in addition to the amazingly relevant and op ed worthy fact that it &#8220;</span></span><span style="font-style: normal;">seems&#8221; </span><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;">to you that we are!</span></span><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"> </span></span><span style="font-style: normal;"> Why, that would absolutely fantastic.</span></em></p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Yes, I am saying exactly that.  I have more. And like I said, it&#8217;s even better than science &#8212; who needs that anyway. Ready?</p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> We have almost no room on our very limited and highly sought after op ed page for outside sources, but this clearly seems like it is going to be outstanding enough to make the cut.</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Yes, yes, absolutely, because, in addition to the very strong fact that it &#8220;seems to me,&#8221; I even have yet another reason as to why I am claiming that people are overreacting, despite the fact that scientists &#8212; the one&#8217;s actually studying this issue &#8212; are saying that people are under reacting.  Are you ready?</p>
<p><strong>NYT:</strong> Yes, Yes!</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON: </strong> &#8220;<em>Mary Shelley Created Frankenstein.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em> </em>Thus, you see, people are fascinated with this stuff, like Frankenstein; <em>so, therefore, ergo, as a result, thus, voila, we are over reacting on climate change</em>!</p>
<p>So now I&#8217;ve given yet another reason why in sometimes people overreact in general (just like we sometimes under react or vastly underestimate) without one bit even of suggestion or support as to why we are overreacting here! And no one will ever notice.</p>
<p><strong>NYT</strong>:  Including us.</p>
<p>However, brilliant and relevant as this argument of yours now quite obviously is  is, it&#8217;s still, um, a largely tautological and unsupported sentence or two, not an op-ed. It&#8217;s very slight, but do you see the difference?  That is; Largely tautological and and unsupported <em>sentenc</em>e, versus complete op-ed piece.   Thus, in addition to mentioning apocalyptic visions and maybe a few more Frankenstein examples, can you largely fill in the bulk of the piece with a wholly irrelevant yet excruciatingly detailed example <em>of a time when</em> we over-reacted as opposed to under-reacted, perhaps regarding something which has absolutely nothing in common with the current situation save for the fact that we &#8220;over reacted&#8221; which, of course, since we already know that sometimes we overreact, sometimes we under-react, makes it about as relevant as the price of tea in China?</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON: </strong><strong>You mean like how if I theorized, with no support, that your publisher was having a steamy affair, I might write a piece about how on another occasion someone else had a steamy affair and provide excessive details about it, throw in the idea that &#8220;it seems to me&#8221; that therefore yours is also, and &#8220;support&#8221; it all with the idea that, much like apocalypses, people are fascinated with sex </strong><em><strong>so therefore he probably is having an affair?</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>NYT</strong>: <em>Exactly</em>.</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Okay, sure, absolutely. I will talk in excruciatingly irrelevant detail how many people over reacted to Y2K.</p>
<p>[Editor of ELA here:   Ahem, uh, "ahem."  Fear of  enormous breakdowns was not a widespread consensus. Yet with respect to those fears, which were based purely on the unknown of a one time, unique event rather than upon scientific reason and risk assessment of an extremely complex, centuries long global biological, ecological and physics problem, some thought the entire notion of an unavoidable enormous Y2k breakdown just because the years on many computers were in double rather than quadruple digits, was ridiculous, and said so repeatedly.  Including the editor of this site.  As for some of the practical implications it should also be noted that many Y2K computer problems and attendant  breakdowns were diligently worked on and avoided in advance precisely due to concerns.]</p>
<p><strong>NY TIMES</strong>:  Yes!</p>
<p><strong>DUTTON:</strong> Done. Check  your in box. You now have a piece consisting in its entirety of; the assertion that we are overreacting on climate change because people sometimes overreact; the assertion that are are over reacting rather than under-reacting here because &#8220;it seems to me&#8221; we are; a reason offered as to why we <em>sometimes</em> overreact rather than reasons offered as to why we oftentimes greatly under-react  &#8211; as opposed to reasons why we may be doing either in this particular case; and an excruciatingly detailed example of a time when some overreacted&#8211; omitting the fact that since we already know that sometimes we overreact,and sometimes in advance we greatly underestimate  and &#8220;under react,&#8221; this is about as relevant as which trash can of the many in your building you should throw my inane climate change submission into, which I nevertheless hope that you publish.</p>
<p><strong>NYT: </strong>We&#8217;ll publish it!</p></blockquote>
<p>Hard to believe, right?  As the NY Times might very well put it:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If you don&#8217;t believe this, </em><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01dutton.html?pagewanted=2&amp;ref=opinion"><strong><em>come read our pages, December 31, and see for yourself</em></strong></a><strong><em>.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Simply saying &#8220;We overreact to some things, perhaps we are to climate change, here are some reasons why we are over-reacting here,&#8221; flawed as the conclusion that we are overreacting likely is, is fine. Dutton does not come close to doing that, however.  He suggests that sometimes we over react to things; he explains why he thinks we over-react to things sometimes (fascination with the eschatological), and then suggests that &#8220;we are over-reacting here&#8221; for no reason other than the completely tautological explanation that sometimes we do, along with the completely irrelevant reason why we sometimes do.</p>
<p>If anything, there would be far more driving the idea that we are under-reacting here.  Likely results are many years in the future.  The implications to many, of this, are extremely negative, because of the (flawed) perception that sensibly addressing this means we have to sacrifice our economy. There is a general lack of general scientific understanding among the populace. And our expectations are grounded in what we have come to expect, and the difficulty we seem to have grasping the ideas that 1) there is an enormous time lag here between both cause and effect, and 2) effects are very likely to be non linear (that is, potentially accelerating with increased input and cumulative effect).</p>
<p>Whether that last paragraph was a good or bad (but short) opinion piece, at least it offered reasons. Dutton offers none. What he offered is like suggesting &#8220;remember how in medieval times the plague hit, and people did not take it seriously enough;&#8221; then spending most of the time writing about how bad the plague was and how wrong everybody was; then offering up a bunch of reasons why in general people often don&#8217;t take things seriously enough (and they tend to number far greater than &#8220;fascination with eschatology&#8221;) and then concluding &#8220;it seems to me climate change is the same. The end.&#8221;  That would be an inane piece.  And, analogously, it is exactly the logic &#8212; and all of it &#8212; that the NY Times, incredibly, chose to publish, though a far better example of it at that.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/29/climate-scientists-meteorologists-bastardi-coleman-watts-new-york-times-leslie-kaufman-false-balance/">The  NY Times seems at times to be to science</a> understanding and real journalism on this issue as Saddam Hussein was to democracy and open, fair elections in Iraq.  Even its leading &#8220;Dot Earth&#8221; climate blog, comments included, <a href="http://essays-letters-articles.com/2010/03/false-equivalency-and-specious-analyses-offered-up-as-balance-on-highly-influential-ny-times-climate-change-blog/">helps </a>contribute more to the general confusion and misunderstanding on the climate change issue, than to expose and correct it.</p>
<p>This is yet another, and  particularly troubling, example of the fact that our &#8220;media&#8221; is increasingly becoming a stenographic  reflection of our worst common ignorances, misunderstandings, and rhetoric, than a necessary Fourth Estate investigative and illuminative check upon it.</p>
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